Heat format

[neil40]

Hi

Is anyone able to tell me what the original World Team Cup and Pairs Heat formats were please?

IE Who rode in Heat 1 - was it each teams number 1 etc.

Thanks for any help
Neil

[speedway_history]

Hi Neil. I haven't yet embarked on the Pairs tournaments, but here's the first WTC final result:

wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/2431 which works out as:

Ht 1..4-1-4-2
Ht 2..3-2-3-1
Ht 3..2-4-1-3
Ht 4..1-3-2-4
Ht 5..4-2-1-4
Ht 6..3-1-2-3
Ht 7..2-3-4-1
Ht 8..1-4-3-2
Ht 9..4-4-2-1
Ht 10..3-3-1-2
Ht 11..2-1-3-4
Ht 12..1-2-4-3
Ht 13..3-4-4-4
Ht 14..4-3-3-3
Ht 15..2-2-2-2
Ht 16..1-1-1-1

[speedway_history]

Sorry, had to make a small edit for heat 1. Should be right now.

[neil40]

Many thanks for that, helped a lot.

Will you be doing the Pairs?
I have most but trying to get the 1986-1991 finals heat details.

Neil

[speedway_history]

I have no immediate plans as I'm trying to finish about half a dozen other things I've started, but it's possible I may be able to help. Or we may be able to help each other!

First off, have you seen this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Speedway_World_Pairs_Championship

1987 is also on there, so if you know the heat formula you can work it out, as I often do for other meetings. If not, if you know the dates (or rough dates, even) I can have a look through the old Speedway Stars, unless you've done that already?

[neil40]

Hi,

I've looked at those pages before, and can't figure out the Heat format for them!
I know the format for 4 riders per heat, but those denoted with 5,4,3,2,1,0 point are 6 riders per heat!
If you get time, I'd appreciate if you look at the Speedway Stars - I threw all mine out years ago regrettably.

The dates of the finals are:
11-6-1986
28-6-1987
?-?-1988
5-8-1989
?-?-1990
?-?-1991
?-?-1992

Best I've come up with!!! Hopefully the others were in June, though 93 was August.

If you wanted to scan and email them, I'd be happy to give you all the pairs results I have to publish here.

[neil40]

Just found a video of '88 at Odsal, will see what I can fathom


Looks like 18 heats, with Heat 16 teams in 7th/8th/9th at that point. Heat 17 4th/5th/6th and 18 1st/2nd/3rd

[speedway_history]

Just spent an hour going through back copies and I don't think I'm going to be able to help on this one, unfortunately. I have the previews for two of the meetings, but seemingly not the follow up issues. The best I was able to come up with is the 1989 Leszno final results from Loader's annual, which shows all the riders having 6 rides, but I'm assuming you already have that? Although, one preview (either '87 or '88) did confirm your 18 heat thinking.

Really sorry I haven't been more useful. If I do come across something I'll let you know though.

[neil40]

Appreciate all your effort.

No, I don't have 1989 yet, just happened on the date.

[speedway_history]

Have sent you 1989 to the email you're registered here with. Hope you can read it okay.

[neil40]

Just arrived - many thanks for that

[speedway_history]

Hi. Not sure if you're still after the Pairs results?

Hope this helps if you are:

Pocking - 11.06.86

1.Denmark 46+
Hans Nielsen 5 4 5 4 4 5 27+
Erik Gundersen 0 5 0 5 5 4 19
2.USA 46+
Kelly Moran 3 5 3 5 4 3 23+
Sam Ermolenko 4 4 4 4 5 2 23
3.Czechoslovakia 32
Antonin Kasper 1 5 5 5 5 1 22
Roman Matousek 2 1 4 0 3 0 10
4.Sweden 32
Jan Andersson 4 3 5 1 2 2 17
Tommy Nilsson 5 1 1 2 3 3 15
5.New Zealand 32
Larry Ross 3 3 3 3 4 4 20
Mitch Shirra 4 2 2 4 0 12
6.Germany 27
Karl Maier 3 4 4 3 3 5 22
Klaus Lausch 2 0 0 1 1 1 5
7.Great Britain 23
Jeremy Doncaster 5 2 2 1 0 2 12
Simon Wigg 0 3 0 3 2 3 11
8.Italy 15
Valenti. Furlanetto 1 1 1 0 1 5 9
Armando castagna 0 0 0 2 0 4 6
9.Australia 15
Phil Crump 2 2 3 0 2 1 10
Steve Regeling 1 0 2 2 5

Pardubice - 28.06.87

1.Denmark 52
Erik Gundersen 4 4 5 4 4 5 26
Hans Nielsen 3 5 4 5 5 4 26
2.Great Britain 44
Kelvin Tatum 5 5 5 5 3 1 24
Simon Wigg 1 4 4 4 5 2 20
3.USA 36
Sam Ermolenko 3 0 5 2 5 3 18
Kelly Moran 4 3 4 3 4 0 18
4.New Zealand 36
David Bargh 2 3 3 5 3 4 20
Mitch Shirra 5 1 2 4 1 3 16
5.Czechoslovakia 30
Roman Matousek 2 1 3 2 3 5 16
Antonin Kasper 3 2 2 3 2 2 14
6.Finland 19
Olli Tyrväinen 5 4 0 0 2 0 11
Kai Niemi 1 0 1 1 4 1 8
7.Australia 21
Steve Baker 4 2 0 3 2 5 16
Steve Regeling 0 0 1 2 0 2 5
8.Italy 18
Armando Castagna 2 5 2 1 1 0 11
Valenti. Furlanetto 0 3 3 0 0 1 7
9.Poland 14
Wojcie. Zabialowicz 0 2 1 1 1 3 8
Roman Jankowski 1 1 0 0 0 4 6

Bradford - 31.7.88

1.Denmark 45
Hans Nielsen 5 5 4 5 4 4 27
Erik Gundersen 0 1 5 2 5 5 18
2.Great Britain 41
Kelvin Tatum 3 5 5 5 3 0 21
Simon Cross 2 3 4 4 4 3 20
3.USA 39
Shawn Moran 4 4 4 4 5 2 23
Sam Ermolenko 1 5 1 5 3 1 16
4.New Zealand 32
Mitch Shirra 4 4 3 3 5 5 24
Alan Rivett 1 0 1 2 2 2 8
5.Sweden 29
Jimmy Nilsen 5 1 5 3 2 0 17
Per Jonsson 3 2 2 4 1 1 12
6.Hungary 25
Antal Kocso 2 4 0 1 4 4 15
Zoltan Adorjan 1 2 3 0 1 3 10
7.Italy 21
Armando Castagna 4 1 2 2 3 5 14
Valenti. Furlanetto 0 3 0 0 0 1 4
8.Germany 21
Gerd Riss 2 3 3 3 2 4 17
Tommy Dunker 3 0 0 1 0 0 4
9.Poland 17
Piotr Swist 0 2 2 1 1 3 9
Roman Jankowski 5 0 1 0 0 2 8

Landshut - 21.7.90

1.Denmark 43
Jan O Pedersen 4 4 2 5 5 4 24
Hans Nielsen 0 2 5 4 3 5 19
2.Australia 41
Todd Wiltshire 5 5 3 4 5 3 25
Leigh Adams 3 1 4 2 4 2 16
3.Hungary 33
Zoltan Adorjan 5 5 4 5 1 1 21
Sandor Tihanyi 3 2 1 3 3 0 12
4.Sweden 33
Jimmy Nilsen 4 4 1 3 4 2 18
Per Jonsson 2 2 3 2 5 1 15
5.New Zealand 32
Mitch Shirra 4 5 4 1 4 5 23
David Bargh 2 0 5 0 2 0 9
6.USA 28
Ronnie Correy 5 0 0 5 2 3 15
Kelly Moran 1 3 3 1 1 4 13
7.Czechoslovakia 21
Antonin Kasper 0 3 2 3 0 3 11
Roman Matousek 1 1 0 2 1 5 10
8.Great Britain 20
Kelvin Tatum 3 4 5 1 3 4 20
Simon Cross 0 0
9.Germany 15
Klaus Lausch 2 3 2 4 2 2 15
Gerd Riss 0 0

Poznan - 20.7.91

1.Denmark 28
Hans Nielsen 2 3 2 3 2 2 14
Jan O Pedersen 3 0 3 2 3 3 14
2.Sweden 24
Henrik Gustafsson 3 2 1 3 9
Jimmy Nilsen 3 2 1 2 8
Per Jonsson 2 3 2 0 7
3.Norway 19
Lars Gunnestad 2 0 3 3 0 3 11
Einar Kyllingstad 0 1 2 2 1 2 8
4.Germany 18
Gerd Riss 1 3 1 2 1 1 9
Klaus Lausch 3 0 0 3 3 0 9
5.Czechoslovakia 18
Bohumil Brhel 2 2 0 3 2 3 12
Roman Matousek 1 1 1 1 2 6
Zdenek Tesar 0 0
6.Italy 10
Armando Castagna 0 3 1 1 3 1 9
Valen. Furlanetto 1 0 0 0 0 1
Fabrizio Vesprini 0 0
7.Poland 9
Ryszard Dolomisiewicz 1 1 0 1 2 0 5
Piotr Swist 2 1 0 3
Wojciech Zaluski 0 0 1 1

Lonigo - 18.7.92

1.USA 23+
Greg Hancock 3 2 3 3 11+
Sam Ermolenko 1 2 2 1 1 2 9
Ronnie Correy 2 1 3
2.Great Britain 23+
Gary Havelock 3 3 1 3 3 2 15
Kelvin Tatum 0 1 2 2 0 3 8
3.Sweden 22
Per Jonsson 2 2 3 3 2 2 14
Henrik Gustafsson 3 0 0 2 3 0 8
4.Italy 18
Armando Castagna 3 3 2 3 2 3 16
Valentino Furlanetto 1 0 0 1 0 2
Armando Dal Chiele 0 0
5.Denmark 16
Hans Nielsen 3 3 3 2 1 1 13
Brian Karger 0 1 1 0 2
Tommy Knudsen 1 0 1
6.New Zealand 14
Mitch Shirra 1 2 1 3 3 2 12
David Bargh 0 1 1 2
Mark Thorpe 0 0 0 0
7.Australia 10
Craig Boyce 0 2 0 2 1 5
Leigh Adams 2 1 1 0 0 4
Shane Parker 1 0 1

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